I have known at least two, both presiding overseers!
One DF, the other just removed as an elder and reproved.
if so, did it bother you that he had been reprooved and forgiven rather than reported to the police?
I have known at least two, both presiding overseers!
One DF, the other just removed as an elder and reproved.
You would think they would stay away from date setting but I swear I was told this recently by someone who was told directly by the Gilead graduate. When he mentioned 1975 it was all I could do to keep my face straight. Clever if you think about it, nothing in the literature, just word of mouth so it's easily denied but maybe enough to whip up the r&f?
Actually the current JW speculation states 2009 - in the spring. It's based on an idea that Armageddon would come 33.5 years (the length of Jesus life) after 1975 (you would think they would let that lie already ). I heard this from a bethel source, it came from someone who had been to Gilead and this was mentioned in one of the lessons.
i did when i was a teenager.
i was a good little witness on the outside but a pot smoking, girl chasing, booze swilling....normal teenager.. funny story.
i was 17 and this elders wife started a study with a lady in our neighborhood.
I had a relationship with the "bad boy" of the cong. When my parents found out they hit the roof. It was very exciting sneaking around behind everyone's backs. Eventually the pressure got too much and we ended it.
one upon a time , joe witness stumbled onto an "apostate" internet site - and his curiosity got the better of him.
he couldn't stop .
reading and went thru a wrenchingly painful weekend in which his deeply held beliefs were shattered.
In the case of JW's who are not "in" because of family I cannot say. I think it's a very uncomfortable thing to live a lie and I suspect many have a look at sites like this, know the truth is a lie but have to avoid thinking about it to protect their own sanity. Mine is hanging from a thin thread at the moment. I believe it's called cognitive dissonance?
let's say you decide to fill out an application for bethel service.
you are approved and sent to haiti.
you hate everything .
You would have to pay your way home and then try to execute a fade. It would be impossible whilst "in an assignment" surely? I know someone who did this. He was a missionary, returned home and "drifted" out the truth. He's since made some pretty public outspoken statements but has never been disfellowshipped. Go figure!?
...i've been thinking and i reckon leaving "the truth" and risking losing your entire family has to be one of the bravest things to do.
i am still considering whether my exit is possible but to all who have done it, well done!
i noticed on another thread that others found once they left it inspired other family members to leave too.
...I've been thinking and I reckon leaving "the truth" and risking losing your entire family has to be one of the bravest things to do. Really. I am still considering whether my exit is possible but to all who have done it, well done!
I noticed on another thread that others found once they left it inspired other family members to leave too. How common is this?
...well, to you guys at least.
i'm a long time lurker, still a jw (for how long i don't know?
:-s) and at a bit of a crossroads.. you've probably heard the story before.
Thanks for all the replies. It has been interesting reading your stories. I am female. Not in the US. Not a spy . I have a husband also JW, I have not yet shared my misgivings with him. I think it was researching 607BCE that originally got me thinking, then I found out about Ray Franz etc on the internet. Funny to think all of that happened in my lifetime and I had no idea. 1975 has been an eye opener too (not the official version read about in the WT but what really happened).
A couple of you have mentioned I should be looking out for my children, not my parents. I guess I was trying to find a way where I could absorb most of the hurt and shield them all as much as possible. I will continue to consider my options.
...well, to you guys at least.
i'm a long time lurker, still a jw (for how long i don't know?
:-s) and at a bit of a crossroads.. you've probably heard the story before.
...well, to you guys at least. I'm a long time lurker, still a JW (for how long I don't know? :-s) and at a bit of a crossroads.
You've probably heard the story before. I was raised in "the truth", 3rd generation witness if the highest pedigree LOL! P/O father, bethelite elder brothers, that kind of thing. I have a strong faith in God, but not so much the WBTS. This latest change on the generation has shaken me, funny I should read about it first here! The thing is I have young children so it's not just about me, it's my family. My parents are aging and would be devastated if I left, it would be awful if they lost contact with their only grandchildren. I'm pretty sure they would cut contact and the thought that they would do that cuts me to the bone. Seems blood isn't thicker than WT teachings.
I kind of planned to raise my children to know that their happiness is paramount to me and without the mind control tactics my parents used to keep us in line. Eventually they would make their own choice. I don't feel free to make a move whilst my parents are alive. I know that's terribly cowardly but I'm sure it would give my mother a heart attack or something and I couldn't have that on my conscience (kind of a "crisis of conscience" :-p isn't it?) I have been reading that online too, it's no wonder I'm having doubts is it?!
Back in '95 I was youthful and foolish and lapped up the change of doctrine re the generation but looking back over the years I see a pattern of changing doctrine just to fit in with Armageddon's delay. Having done a little research I find myself seriously doubting 1914 and other teachings of the WT.
Anyhow, thought I would introduce myself, would like to hear from anyone else who had similar dilemma's with parents and children and how things panned out for them.
it's usually announced by the time of the january km at the latest.
anyone know why it hasn't been released this year?
It's usually announced by the time of the January KM at the latest. Anyone know why it hasn't been released this year?